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Offline Brian

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« on: February 06, 2013, 09:56:21 AM »
Howdy all!  THis is my first post here, just and introduction.  I'm building a 180"FED.  I bought the chassis tacked from John Worm and I finished welded it.  Everything is done but the motor.  I have a 302 chevy that I want to use.  It is the motor may dad used in his D gasser in the late 60's.  I have a Hilborn injection unit that I want to use with alcohol.  I'm having a hard time finding a piston that will make 13:1 with 64cc heads.  I know, I could alot faster for less money using a 350 block.  Its sentimental. 
Anyway, its great to see a forum like this one and i look forward to the tips and stories.
Brian.
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Re: Newbie
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 10:46:43 AM »
Welcome.

You have two great resources here to help you with your build.

Spud Miller for the ignition and fuel delievery, see Spud Miller's Cave under Technical

And Matt Shaff for your pistion questions, see Matt Shaff's Engine Shop under technical

We are here for you, use us.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 12:13:24 PM »
Cool.  I'm sure your father's smiling.  Is it 283 or 327 block?   
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 12:50:20 PM »
I;m building one with a 302 base Ford (331) I ran in a door car with alky carb so I say go for it  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 06:06:13 PM »
Its a 302DZ block and fuelie heads.  The heads were ported by local builder/racer Sam Gianino. I am shooting for 500hp.  This is my first time using alcohol.  i have used racing gas for many years in door slammers.  I feel like i am starting all over with alcohol.
Thanks for the feedback!
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 08:06:32 PM »
Quote from: Brian on February 06, 2013, 06:06:13 PM
Its a 302DZ block and fuelie heads.  The heads were ported by local builder/racer Sam Gianino. I am shooting for 500hp.  This is my first time using alcohol.  i have used racing gas for many years in door slammers.  I feel like i am starting all over with alcohol.
Thanks for the feedback!
Brian
Last season I went from gas to alcohol with a Carb. learned all season. This would be a great topic for Spud Miller's Cave under the Technical category
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 09:34:59 PM »
Brian   Alky is not as hard as people make it to be lotsa myths about it ??? I have ran both with good luck but like alky better but questions about alky is the same as asking who builds the best convertor!  Good luck!

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 09:56:08 PM »
Quote from: Blind Mule on February 06, 2013, 09:34:59 PM
Brian   Alky is not as hard as people make it to be lotsa myths about it ??? I have ran both with good luck but like alky better but questions about alky is the same as asking who builds the best convertor!  Good luck!

   Randy
I agree.

Your jets are a LOT bigger, Temps are cooler, You use a lot more fuel, but it is a lot else expensive.

The one thing you do not want to do is to run it lean.

Learn to read you plugs. Reading plugs with alcohol is different from reading with gas. Here is a link to get you started http://www.wallaceracing.com/plug-reading-lm.html

Also you want to run a top end lube, and watch your oil for contamination.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2013, 01:28:16 AM »
Another myth about Alky is you need high compression that is FAR from the truth I know cause I put my almost stock 302 with maybe 8to1 ratio  on alky 650 carb and it came to life :o It makes more torque and thats why it picked up mine by 4 tenth's ???
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 07:10:41 AM »
302DZ........  now I completely understand, that's '69 Z28 block (good foundation).  I had asked the 283-327 question as I have a pre '62 283 built with 12.5:1.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 07:49:50 AM »
Blind Mule - My ears perked up after reading your comment.  I have been beating my brains out trying to get 13:1+ out of this motor with the 64cc heads.  I can get 12:1 pretty easily.  Do you think there will be a noticable difference using 12:1 vs. 13:1?  My goal is 500+ HP here is the rest of my set up.

302DZ Block +.030 (306ci)
2.02/1.60 iron fulie heads 64cc, ported
1178 forged crank turned 10/10
K1  H Beam rods.
Piston - whatever it takes to get the compression i need.
Cam - Undecided
Hilborn Mech Inj with 12" stacks

I really appreciate all of the feedback.  I have felt like I am on an island and this has re-sparked that fire!  Thanks fellas!
Brian
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 07:55:57 AM »
Quote from: Brian on February 07, 2013, 07:49:50 AM
Blind Mule - My ears perked up after reading your comment.  I have been beating my brains out trying to get 13:1+ out of this motor with the 64cc heads.  I can get 12:1 pretty easily.  Do you think there will be a noticable difference using 12:1 vs. 13:1?  My goal is 500+ HP here is the rest of my set up.

302DZ Block +.030 (306ci)
2.02/1.60 iron fulie heads 64cc, ported
1178 forged crank turned 10/10
K1  H Beam rods.
Piston - whatever it takes to get the compression i need.
Cam - Undecided
Hilborn Mech Inj with 12" stacks

I really appreciate all of the feedback.  I have felt like I am on an island and this has re-sparked that fire!  Thanks fellas!
Brian

You might want to post this question in Matt Shaff's Engine Shop under the Technical Category.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2013, 08:07:35 AM »
Those stacks on Alky should wake it up! I love stacks wish I had them myself 8) I have seen some mean bracket cars with stacks ;D
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