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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: found a frame ????
« on: January 11, 2015, 01:20:43 PM »
My best guess is around 1964 based off the 140" wheel base.
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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: found a frame ????
« on: January 11, 2015, 10:41:24 AM »
Thanks for the replies guys.
He has nothing else to go with the frame.
It was inherited to him by his deceased father in law
who had plans as using it as starting point for a display back in 2000.
Not sure how long it has been sitting out side in the weather since
then.
Roo, thanks for the info as far as not being a match up to a professional built chassis. I have spent a lot of hours trying to compare this up to old photo's and was coming up with zero.
Anyone care to guess on a year a frame like this may have likely
been built?
He has nothing else to go with the frame.
It was inherited to him by his deceased father in law
who had plans as using it as starting point for a display back in 2000.
Not sure how long it has been sitting out side in the weather since
then.
Roo, thanks for the info as far as not being a match up to a professional built chassis. I have spent a lot of hours trying to compare this up to old photo's and was coming up with zero.
Anyone care to guess on a year a frame like this may have likely
been built?
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Front Engine Dragsters / found a frame ????
« on: January 10, 2015, 04:40:56 PM »
Planning on having a look at this frame that is for sale soon.
Would like to get some of your opinions on possibly a maker style or a guess on
year this may have been built.
Anything you feel like sharing really as myself or the owner knows nothing about the
frame other than its 140" in length. What would be a fair price if tubes are good? Owner said there is no tag. No history.
What should I look close at while checking this out in person?
Newbie here so Thanks for any advise.
Would like to get some of your opinions on possibly a maker style or a guess on
year this may have been built.
Anything you feel like sharing really as myself or the owner knows nothing about the
frame other than its 140" in length. What would be a fair price if tubes are good? Owner said there is no tag. No history.
What should I look close at while checking this out in person?
Newbie here so Thanks for any advise.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 03, 2014, 01:02:11 PM »
Another thing I should have mentioned is my blower manifold is not finished yet so if I needed a little more height in the rear to keep things off the magneto I could raise the blower a bit. I was trying to keep it as low as possible but if room is needed.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 03, 2014, 12:46:41 PM »
I will have a little more time after work to go over all your post. I kind of quickly skimmed them for now. I do like the sound doing this in a way that could have been done back in the day.
I have a Joe hunt magneto that stands up 3 1/2" higher than usual and is very close to the blower case. Less than a 1/2" clearance. A hilborn right angle pump drive is the reason for this extra height. I can use this drive to run the pump if needed. If I take the angle drive out I would have to change to a longer shaft in the magneto to reach the gear.
I have a Joe hunt magneto that stands up 3 1/2" higher than usual and is very close to the blower case. Less than a 1/2" clearance. A hilborn right angle pump drive is the reason for this extra height. I can use this drive to run the pump if needed. If I take the angle drive out I would have to change to a longer shaft in the magneto to reach the gear.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 03, 2014, 01:51:45 AM »
Thanks for the correction and tip, Dreracecar.
Is this barrel valve something I should contact hilborn and buy new or is this a part that finding
used could work out OK.
Is this barrel valve something I should contact hilborn and buy new or is this a part that finding
used could work out OK.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 02, 2014, 03:21:11 PM »
That is a lot of information there.
I would like to run this with the scott style pump but as far as I can tell they are
next to impossible to get your hands on. I don't think there is a workable substitute.
It took me two years of looking to find this incomplete injector and it wasnt really what could be called reasonably priced because there are not many of these out there to be found.
I would guess if I keep looking I may be able to come up with a old scott pump in a few years maybe. I would call it lucky but not likely.
I think for this reason I believe I want to pursue the hilborn pump route to get this going with parts that can be had easily.
So to do this from what I have gathered I will need the following...
A hilborn style pump (hilborn150)
A fuel shut off (doesn't matter brand)
A barrel valve (Enderle side mounted) scott metering valve on injector body no longer used
A bypass line back to tank
Am I missing anything here?
Do you guys think this is a good plan or should I continue searching for the correct pump?
I am concerned I may never find one.
What would you do to get this working again? Although I know it would make more sense to most racers, I don't want to hear buy a new hilborn set up.
Using a vintage part is the main objective for me.
You guys have been contributing alot to help me understand what options i have to sort through my problem and I believe I understand most of what has been posted here. Many thanks, and keep your thoughts coming.
I would like to run this with the scott style pump but as far as I can tell they are
next to impossible to get your hands on. I don't think there is a workable substitute.
It took me two years of looking to find this incomplete injector and it wasnt really what could be called reasonably priced because there are not many of these out there to be found.
I would guess if I keep looking I may be able to come up with a old scott pump in a few years maybe. I would call it lucky but not likely.
I think for this reason I believe I want to pursue the hilborn pump route to get this going with parts that can be had easily.
So to do this from what I have gathered I will need the following...
A hilborn style pump (hilborn150)
A fuel shut off (doesn't matter brand)
A barrel valve (Enderle side mounted) scott metering valve on injector body no longer used
A bypass line back to tank
Am I missing anything here?
Do you guys think this is a good plan or should I continue searching for the correct pump?
I am concerned I may never find one.
What would you do to get this working again? Although I know it would make more sense to most racers, I don't want to hear buy a new hilborn set up.
Using a vintage part is the main objective for me.
You guys have been contributing alot to help me understand what options i have to sort through my problem and I believe I understand most of what has been posted here. Many thanks, and keep your thoughts coming.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 02, 2014, 04:18:14 AM »
Thanks again. I think I'm with you now. So the barrel valve used is in the scott casting.
The barrel valve would have to be changed to the hilborn type to have been used with a
hilborn pump or the scott barrel valve would have been retained if they stayed with the scott
pump.
I am beginning to think it wasn't run with a hilborn pump and they just added the block, extra nozzles and lines for some reason?
If I take the barrel valve out and post a pic. Would you be able to tell me if it is a Hilborn or correct for the Scott.
Sounds like this is very important and would give me a clue as to how it was run last.
The barrel valve would have to be changed to the hilborn type to have been used with a
hilborn pump or the scott barrel valve would have been retained if they stayed with the scott
pump.
I am beginning to think it wasn't run with a hilborn pump and they just added the block, extra nozzles and lines for some reason?
If I take the barrel valve out and post a pic. Would you be able to tell me if it is a Hilborn or correct for the Scott.
Sounds like this is very important and would give me a clue as to how it was run last.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 01, 2014, 04:22:43 PM »
Thanks for that info, is the barrel valve pictured a hilborn part or? Hope someone here might be able
to I'd it. I looked it over and found no #s or markings to track. I would guess someone did have it all
working at somepoint 30 or more years ago as it was all assembled when I got it. I didn't get a pump with the setup. But I have one that may be able to be used.
to I'd it. I looked it over and found no #s or markings to track. I would guess someone did have it all
working at somepoint 30 or more years ago as it was all assembled when I got it. I didn't get a pump with the setup. But I have one that may be able to be used.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 01, 2014, 08:58:42 AM »
Dreracecar, I had a look at Bill T. Scott collection on the site you posted.
I gathered that Scott has made at least 3 different sized injectors of this design.
The two he has pictured have considerably smaller throttle plates and have a rounded
shape to them. The model I have is rectangular and the full length of a 671 opening. Appears to
be a way to make them as large as they could with the blower case top opening size.
My guess would be a newer model. Mine also has M/T cast into it. So mine must have
been sold through Mickey Thompson. Guess?
I did see the pumps he has pictured. I couldn't make out the instruction sheet. I think I will
try and contact him to see if he has anything spare laying around that would work to get mine
back to original. If not I will have to try it out in its currently converted to hilborn style.
Thanks for the input.
I gathered that Scott has made at least 3 different sized injectors of this design.
The two he has pictured have considerably smaller throttle plates and have a rounded
shape to them. The model I have is rectangular and the full length of a 671 opening. Appears to
be a way to make them as large as they could with the blower case top opening size.
My guess would be a newer model. Mine also has M/T cast into it. So mine must have
been sold through Mickey Thompson. Guess?
I did see the pumps he has pictured. I couldn't make out the instruction sheet. I think I will
try and contact him to see if he has anything spare laying around that would work to get mine
back to original. If not I will have to try it out in its currently converted to hilborn style.
Thanks for the input.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 01, 2014, 06:41:50 AM »
Another thing I should have mentioned is the 8 nozzle ports have been moved to below the plates like a hilborn and the original Scott above plates plugged. If I had to guess I would say the nozzles
are homemade by pressing a short piece of aluminum rod into a brass fitting. A hacksaw cut half way through and drilled from the inside of fitting to the cut made with the saw. They look to be drilled about .040 without measuring them.
All the nozzles are fed by rubber hilborn style lines and come out of a added metering or possibly just a plain fuel block. This block is fed by a little larger rubber line that is attached to the scott block that is cast into the main throttle plate casting.
are homemade by pressing a short piece of aluminum rod into a brass fitting. A hacksaw cut half way through and drilled from the inside of fitting to the cut made with the saw. They look to be drilled about .040 without measuring them.
All the nozzles are fed by rubber hilborn style lines and come out of a added metering or possibly just a plain fuel block. This block is fed by a little larger rubber line that is attached to the scott block that is cast into the main throttle plate casting.
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Spud Miller's Cave / Re: scott super slot injector
« on: July 01, 2014, 12:49:39 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.
Unfortunately my searches on this injector hasn't turned up much more than
It being used as a mad max movie prop. Not much help for my efforts to learn
how to get it back in use on a fed.
I did not get the scott pump with it and figure there is little chance of finding one to get it
back to its original configuration. I read somewhere racers would change them for being problematic and has been done to this one also.
It has been drilled and tapped for 8 nozzles and must have been run with a hilborn
pump sometime along the way.
Spud, I don't see a place for any seals on this but a gasket between scoop and butterfly base.
The butterfly shaft doesn't even have bushings. Looks to be a 1/2" steel shaft fit right to the
aluminum casting. It does still fit nice with out any apparent wear and may not leak much in this area at all.
The butterfly's do seem to fit the housing as intended and appear untampered with. They are somewhat crude if I was to compare them to a Holley throttle plate with the ground bevel seal to the bore. (no bevel on this) Even completly closed you can see a little light around them. And slightly more in the corners but I believe this is how it was fit when built. Not sure if this will be a problem as I have no other injector experience to compare this to. They do move bind free just slightly snug
and I believe a drop of oil at each end will take any resistance out of it. This hasn't been used for many decades.
I don't know enough about what I am looking at when it comes to the nozzles and metering to give
a good decription so I put up some photos after I resize them.
My intentions are to use this on a cackle project as I don't want to use a updated chassis style.
I appreciate any input and would hope to end with this old part being able to be used in some workable configuration.
Unfortunately my searches on this injector hasn't turned up much more than
It being used as a mad max movie prop. Not much help for my efforts to learn
how to get it back in use on a fed.
I did not get the scott pump with it and figure there is little chance of finding one to get it
back to its original configuration. I read somewhere racers would change them for being problematic and has been done to this one also.
It has been drilled and tapped for 8 nozzles and must have been run with a hilborn
pump sometime along the way.
Spud, I don't see a place for any seals on this but a gasket between scoop and butterfly base.
The butterfly shaft doesn't even have bushings. Looks to be a 1/2" steel shaft fit right to the
aluminum casting. It does still fit nice with out any apparent wear and may not leak much in this area at all.
The butterfly's do seem to fit the housing as intended and appear untampered with. They are somewhat crude if I was to compare them to a Holley throttle plate with the ground bevel seal to the bore. (no bevel on this) Even completly closed you can see a little light around them. And slightly more in the corners but I believe this is how it was fit when built. Not sure if this will be a problem as I have no other injector experience to compare this to. They do move bind free just slightly snug
and I believe a drop of oil at each end will take any resistance out of it. This hasn't been used for many decades.
I don't know enough about what I am looking at when it comes to the nozzles and metering to give
a good decription so I put up some photos after I resize them.
My intentions are to use this on a cackle project as I don't want to use a updated chassis style.
I appreciate any input and would hope to end with this old part being able to be used in some workable configuration.
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Spud Miller's Cave / scott super slot injector
« on: June 30, 2014, 03:02:36 PM »
Hello, can or does anyone still run a scott.
I am wanting to use this on a 63-66 era Desoto powered fed.
It seems it isn't common enough to warrant much press on the net. At least none from a
experienced users perspective. And I have been digging for quite sometime. I am hoping it can be more than just a novelty.
This is my first fed build so all advise welcome. Lots to learn.
Thanks for all your contributions here.
I am wanting to use this on a 63-66 era Desoto powered fed.
It seems it isn't common enough to warrant much press on the net. At least none from a
experienced users perspective. And I have been digging for quite sometime. I am hoping it can be more than just a novelty.
This is my first fed build so all advise welcome. Lots to learn.
Thanks for all your contributions here.
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