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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: New Guy love FED but clueless and scaried
« on: February 27, 2014, 12:09:29 AM »
I've been struggling to get a car together for years and just now am getting close. That's because I  have went about it ALL the wrong way.

To make it short....I would try to buy a done car, at least a roller.  I see cars on the internet that are selling for about 40 cents on the dollar (would be my guess).  What a huge savings!!  Not to mention precious TIME!

I would avoid any old, 1960's car that doesn't have a current chassis sticker on it.  The old cars can have so much incorrect (diameters, placement, heights, etc.) that they can hardly be made to certify....cheaper, cleaner, safer to avoid the whole mess. (ask me how I know)

Also, be aware that different chassis inspectors don't always agree (especially true between different NHRA divisions).  A car with a current or just expired sticker may not satisfy the next official that inspects it.  Then it's back to the drawing board....weld, cut, etc.  (ask me how I know).

If I were buying a car with any doubt, I would try to make the deal contingent on the car passing chassis inspection in my home division....even if I had to pay for the recertification myself.  (yes, ask me how I know).

If you get a car that won't sticker you will be lucky to get a sand-dragger to take it off your hands.  (sadly, ask me how I know).


Finally, I developed the habit of getting on ebay or the drag cites (or going to a swap meet) and buying junk with no real plan (regarding the part).  Yea, got lots of cool old stuff but, geez, what a waste of money.

SO, there's all the brainless mistakes I've made.

If money and time are an issue (when isn't it?)  Have you though about a partnership?  I know a couple guys that split the cost and get twice as much work done.....one weekend John Doe drives and the other crews / next weekend Joe Blow drives, etc.  They have a lot of fun.

What about making an offer on a hometown car?  ...one that you know and the track officials know?  Racers are often dreaming of that next project, higher class, lower ET.....might just get a handshake.  Since you're new, the old owner may be very friendly to the idea of coaching and helping you with his old car.

Well, anyway, please avoid the dumb things I've done and good luck.



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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: hprsepower limit of 392
« on: February 06, 2014, 10:25:40 PM »
I got a couple replies in the general dragster section, here and a PM as well,  thank you everyone.

Sounds like reliability won't be a problem running 8.50's / 700 hp. 

Let me ask this question about Mickey Thompson rods............WAIT!!  I know that old souvenir rods are paperweights...but .this is a different story here.

I have 16, honest-to-goodness- brand -new, uninstalled MT rods.  If they were once good for 1000 hp and the pounding of nitro  .........any reason why they wouldn't be OK for a 700hp, low boost alky engine today?

I spoke to a guy who was in on the design of those rods with MT.  He said that two sets would last a "romperroom" low-power program (like mine) a long, long time.  A friend told me that ARP even catalogs a bolt for the MT's  (and he suggested a modern bolt).


Uhhhm...does that make any sense?


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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: power/durability limit for 392
« on: February 06, 2014, 10:02:33 PM »


I got a couple replies in the engine  section, here and a PM as well,  thank you everyone.

Sounds like reliability won't be a problem running 8.50's / 700 hp.

Let me ask this question about Mickey Thompson rods............WAIT!!  I know that old souvenir rods are paperweights...but .this is a different story here.

I have 16, honest-to-goodness- brand -new, uninstalled MT rods.  If they were once good for 1000 hp and the pounding of nitro  .........any reason why they wouldn't be OK for a 700hp, low boost alky engine today?

I spoke to a guy who was in on the design of those rods with MT.  He said that two sest would last a "romperrooml" low-power program (like mine) a long, long time.  A friend told me that ARP even catalogs a bolt for the MT's  (and he suggested a modern bolt).


Uhhhm...does that make any sense?

Wayne

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: hprsepower limit of 392
« on: February 05, 2014, 09:43:36 AM »
Thanks for the reply....any idea how much power your making and at what rpm?  Do you have a heavy piston?

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: hprsepower limit of 392
« on: February 04, 2014, 10:51:38 PM »
Thanks Luke,

I've just about got the Gene Adams article memorized.  I just don't want to pass on the opportunity to tap into experience made easy thanks to the internet...I hate it and love the web.

Wayne

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / hprsepower limit of 392
« on: February 04, 2014, 05:28:45 PM »
Working to get a hemi in my old battlewagon. 

USE - Bracket type, oldy racing.


CAR - 1960's altered, hardtail, 125".  Using  powerglide.
       - Most the cars in the club have about 700 hp.

I need the engine to be as dependable as possible  (I just don't  have the time or money to blow up even one hemi)

ENGINE STUFF I HAVE -

      - .060 392
      - Couple good std. cranks
      - HotHeads aluminum heads
      - Good blown alchohol roller cam
      - vertex
      - 6-71  non-stripped
      - Bugcatcher

SO HERE'S MY QUESTIONS:

1- What's the horsepower limit of a 392 w/ 4bolt caps and stock crank?  By that I mean what's the limit where it is still very dependable?


2- To produce 700 hp do I need to concern myself with a stroker crank  or fancy blower?  (although an offset grind w/ Chevy rods is easiy enough).

3-It seems every hemi guy I've ever talked to says that race engines must have aluiminum rods.  Go to a doorslammer site and they make a lot of power on steel rods.   At 700 horsepower is there any reson I can't use the K1 steel rods?  What about even Eagles? 

4-If aluminum really soaks up shock then what about alumimum main caps and steel rods?  Do you even get that much shock and vibration in an engine that's not nitro?

I know that's alot but I appreciate the help. 








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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: power/durability limit for 392
« on: February 04, 2014, 05:05:05 PM »
ok Glenn, thanks.  I put in the general FED mailbox because there's so much more activity here.

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Front Engine Dragsters / power/durability limit for 392
« on: February 04, 2014, 04:41:30 PM »
Working to get a hemi in my old battlewagon. 

USE - Bracket type, oldy racing.


CAR - 1960's altered, hardtail, 125".  Using  powerglide.
       - Most the cars in the club have about 700 hp.

I need the engine to be as dependable as possible  (I just don't  have the time or money to blow up even one hemi)

ENGINE STUFF I HAVE -

      - .060 392
      - Couple good std. cranks
      - HotHeads aluminum heads
      - Good blown alchohol roller cam
      - vertex
      - 6-71  non-stripped
      - Bugcatcher

SO HERE'S MY QUESTIONS:

1- What's the horsepower limit of a 392 w/ 4bolt caps and stock crank?  By that I mean what's the limit where it is still very dependable?


2- To produce 700 hp do I need to concern myself with a stroker crank  or fancy blower?  (although an offset grind w/ Chevy rods is easiy enough).

3-It seems every hemi guy I've ever talked to says that race engines must have aluiminum rods.  Go to a doorslammer site and they make a lot of power on steel rods.   At 700 horsepower is there any reson I can't use the K1 steel rods?  What about even Eagles? 

4-If aluminum really soaks up shock then what about alumimum main caps and steel rods?  Do you even get that much shock and vibration in an engine that's not nitro?

I know that's alot but I appreciate the help. 































     


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Altereds / Re: Old 70s funny car turned alterd
« on: November 21, 2013, 08:55:02 AM »
I don't know if I have any before pics.  (didn't think of that)  But I can get some in progress shots.   It's just an old, patched up, race car.  Kinda like an ugly sister.....I lover her anyway.

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Altereds / Re: Old 70s funny car turned alterd
« on: November 20, 2013, 11:05:49 PM »
Hi. New here from the rainy NW.  Got a 60's F/C with '23T type body.  Randy Parker looked it over.  Best he could remember it is identical to the Jungle Jim car he restored the chassis on.  So my car is a Logge type chassis.  Being "first-gen" it's wide enough for my fat ass.

There's evidence of years of brutal mods on the car....yes, many rollcages...mucho angle iron (not kidding)(cut enough junk off to fill a dump truck).

 I ditched the :

-phoney Corvette comp-car front facia.
-Weld wheels
-Momo steering wheel
-Footbrake with five bellcranks, 13 heim joints and a bungie cord
-7000 gallon fuel tank
-Kenworth radiator
-tunnel ram with toilets
-some xxxx box with wires, timers, fuses,switches and crap plumbed into a MSD dist.
-comp headers

NOW has:

-stripped down rail-job front end
-15x 14 slots (can't afford Halibrands) and yes the cast wheels weigh 237 pounds each. American magnesium up front.
-butterfly wheel (yea, worn walnut grips)
-hand  brake
-moon tank
-piss ant radiator, tucked down low
-Hilborn
-Vertex
-zoomies

and the list goes on.  Hope to finish up the new cage by spring and get it certified.  FAR from a show car.  It's an old battleaxe.  It should look like right out of 1968.  Should be pretty enough to not scare young children......but  ugly enough to scare door cars.

Thank you,  Wayne

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Altereds / Re: 270 gmc Altered
« on: November 20, 2013, 02:56:16 PM »
I'm new here too......I've seen Marshall's car, it's cool.........NO, IT IS WAY BEYOND COOL.


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Wanted to sell / Steering box, injector, M/T mag case(olds)LOTS MORE...LOOK
« on: November 20, 2013, 02:48:44 PM »
First off, I'm new here.  Is there a "newbie" page where I'm supposed to intro myself before any blogging here?  Thank you for the chance to join up.

I am cleaning up my shop and have some FED & altered stuff.

-P&S steering box
-Chrome tube axles (anglia). A gennie Anglia axle n spindles.
-Hillborn for early hemi
-Mickey Thompson Olds cases both aluminum and mag.  Box of Olds small parts.
-Narrowed housings, both little Olds and 8 3/4
-Airheart stuff
-Fiberglass seat that will fit in within 19" shoulder hoop
-SBC zoomies
-NOS Sommers Bros axles for little Olds. wider than dragster, probably alterd width.
-8-71 case, Bowers magnesium, damaged.
-Very early Cragar 4-71 setup for SBC w/ four carbs...etc.  Cool, very.
-Algon 6-71 injector scoop  (the "step scoop")  May have an injector casting that's early Algon for 6-71
-6-71 cores
-lots of 4-71 stuff.enough to build three setups for SBC

Thank you very much
Wayne

There's a lot more...just digging it all out.  Would anyone be interested in a group purchase or buying it on one lot?

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