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Drag Racing Discussions => Front Engine Dragsters => Topic started by: masracingtd1167 on September 01, 2014, 02:21:02 PM
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Spent a nice relaxing day working on my car . Playing with cam timing a little . When I degree the cam on an engine stand there is no valve spring pressure . This time I did it in the car with the rockers on and it changes it about 2 degrees . I advanced it 2 degrees and now it is where I thought it should be .
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6 hours watching those sorry______ _____ ______ ____ that are lucky enough to be at indy .
Already making plans for road trip next year.
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Wiring, wiring, wiring... MSD points box, 2 step, on/off switch, tach converter, shift light, trans brake, battery, neutral safety switch, Racepak, all the sensors, 2 way radio and air lines. That's how I spent my Labor Day.
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Wiring, wiring, wiring... MSD points box, 2 step, on/off switch, tach converter, shift light, trans brake, battery, neutral safety switch, Racepak, all the sensors, 2 way radio and air lines. That's how I spent my Labor Day.
It amazed me how much wire went into my dragster.
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WOW only 4ft of wire on mine ---Mag to kill switch
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WOW only 4ft of wire on mine ---Mag to kill switch
No Neutral Safety Switch?
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Blower start cars are not required to have one
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Blower start cars are not required to have one
Thanks Bruce, learned another one.
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do you have to have a oops switch in back of the car? 8)
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One more great thing about injection and mag. Heck of lot less wiring.No fuel pump to wire,no fan,no water pump and only go or no go ignition wire. Now the delay box,nitrous, rear light,data recorder,tach and temp gauge with 4 monitoring points thats a whole different story. MAn funny car was simple compared to this bracket racing crap.Also lot more cost with less reward. All I need to go back to heads up is MONEY!
I have never had anyone look for neutral safety. Around here if engine has diaper and your have money,go race.
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do you have to have a oops switch in back of the car? 8)
Not required since there is no battery in the car and you shut them off with the fuel
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Blower start cars are not required to have one
So it is OK to run over the guy with the starter if the car happens to be in gear. In Section 2.14 TRANSMISSION, Automatic/NHRA Accepted it states "Functional neutral safety switch mandatory." I don't see where a blower starter car is exempted.
Roo
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I have control of the starter switch that is mounted to the starter along with the solinoid plus I signal the driver. The exact same way the "BIG SHOW" teams do it.Function of the neutral safety switch is only allow power to the start switch in either park or neutral to prevent the car from self starting
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I would think that a neutral safety switch would be something you would want for the safety of all, even if not required.
I'm not required to run a blower bag, but I have one. Just common sense.
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My batteries and starter button are external to the car too. The starter is mounted on the motor. The "neutral safety switch" on my deal is located on the tube shifter and it is wired so that the starter will crank ONLY if the transmission is in Park.
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I would think that a neutral safety switch would be something you would want for the safety of all, even if not required.
I'm not required to run a blower bag, but I have one. Just common sense.
What Bruce did not point out in words of two syllables or less (despite my smart arse prompt) is that with a blower starter car there is nowhere to wire the neutral safety switch. As he did comment, in a regular deal with an on board starter (even with remote batteries) the neutral safety disables the starter circuit so that the motor will not crank unless the shifter is in neutral or park. I can't see any way without a complicated series of relays to disable the ignition circuit so that a blower starter car would not start unless it was in neutral or park.
On the subject of remote electrical kill switches we run an 18 volt tool battery on Mark Vaught's car to power the logger and the trans brake so we run a kill switch on the back of the car for that circuit. It won't shut the car off but it will kill the circuit in case of an electrical incident. We also have a mag kill switch back there which we don't normally use but in light of the incident earlier this year in Illinois where a magneto ignition front engine car had an incident and was up against the guard rail running flat out with the driver unconscious it seems like a good idea. In that case nobody could get to the kill switch in the cockpit because the rear wheels were spinning. I have not been around junior dragsters for many years but they had an external magneto kill switch that could be operated by an adult in case of an incident.
Roo
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I have control of the starter switch that is mounted to the starter along with the solinoid plus I signal the driver. The exact same way the "BIG SHOW" teams do it.Function of the neutral safety switch is only allow power to the start switch in either park or neutral to prevent the car from self starting
Function of the neutral safety switch is to prevent anyone from starting the car unless its in neutral or park, on the off chance that somebody forgot to put it in park or neutral before trying to start the car. In the past season alone, I've seen several people stabbing the starter button in a furious attempt to start a car that's been left in gear. Obviously, concessions are made to blower started cars since there would have to be additional wiring plugged in at start up to operate the safety switch. Operators of these cars should be expected to operate the safety switch located between their ears in a satisfactory manner to prevent injury to themselves or others, lust like the big boys.
For cars with block mounted starters and automatic transmissions, a neutral safety switch is a xxxx good idea.
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Then what would you say to all of those cars that have clutches and Lencos in them, Clutches are just a dry converter and the Lencos just a stackable automatic transmission. Lencos HAVE NO Neutral and are always in gear,The neutral is the drivers foot on the peddle and hand on the brake- no safety switch there and you would be very hard pressed to get the rule past to get them to install one.
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Neutral safety would be clutch depressed???
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Mine is the driver making sure the xxxx thing is in neutral and giving me the OK to fire before I hit the switch. Works every single time.
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I understand, it is the human factor that bothers me. Humans make mistakes.
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Then sell your car and get out of racing
Lets eliminate reverse, dont want to back into anybody
build a wall down the middle or just run singles for time so the other guy doesnt crash you
cap the drivers age @ 52 years, dont want an old guy have a heart attack, same with Diabetes
I have seen these things happen more often then cars without NSS's starting in gear
Standard test for NSS in the tech line is with the ign off and the car in gear the tech will push the starter button, if the motor turns over, you have some explaining to do as to why. I never had to bring my starter and kit to tech or when they make housecalls. Just about every car that get pushed or towed either from the finnish or to the start does so in neutral anyway
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this is becoming a good lol 8)