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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2014, 05:07:28 AM »
Van, I very sincerely hope you are not a statistic SFI uses to make change. George

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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2014, 08:33:48 AM »
Van, I very sincerely hope you are not a statistic SFI uses to make change. George

 OK George  I have given my idea on a safer way to install wheelie bars,  Why don't I see at least a drawing of your safer idea ?  I do not see two bars directly behind the driver as any safer.  I also hope that your idea doesn't become a statistic.

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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2014, 10:21:32 AM »
I see the two as lot safer. Odds are if brake they will split and go outward.This would leave me in the middle instead of the bar in the middle of me. JMO aqnd probably worth less then 2 cent.

 I am mounting mine with top 2 bars to frame rails right at kidney bars.Hopefully never to break but id something stupid happens and back end hits something and breaks them I figure they will be deflected away from me. I am running lower bar to center bar ,almost to rear end(high chair car) putting it on sam plane as lower frame rails/Using 1 1/8  mainly with sleeving and adjuster on bottom bar. Hoping that after get it tuned and weight where it needs to be I can basically run w/o bars.
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2014, 10:31:34 AM »
Van, I bought our car with the bars as they are in the picture posted. They are about 5' long. I run them about 2" off the track. I expect the top rails to flex and with that the bars function is more than a travel limiter. In fact I may change the top rails to allow a little more flex. As you can see by the picture ,the car works pretty well when we are on a good track. George

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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2014, 10:46:06 AM »
I like the idea of the clevis instead of the side saddle mounted rod end, especially pointing at my back.    Thanks for all the input.
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2014, 10:49:32 AM »
my thought would be a plate at least between the 2 seat bars.  similar to a door plate on a roundie round car.
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2014, 08:31:38 PM »
my thought would be a plate at least between the 2 seat bars.  similar to a door plate on a roundie round car.

 I think you and a few others on here are overthinking this.  Go to a Cackle car show and walk down the row of cars and look at the single bar sticking out used to push the cars around the pits and to push start them. some make tripods but most are just a single bar that may not have any bracing.  Just do a good job on the quality of parts,welding,fasteners, tubing, and you should have nothing to worry about. Weld the tabs directly in line with the bars for max strength. Make the tabs fill the clevis to eliminate bolt shear. My clevisis are huge, do NOT use the little ones made for steering linkage.

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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2014, 06:47:20 PM »
Here are some pics of the wheelie bars I made, not saying saying this is how to do it, just that it's how I did it. 2 upper bars, one lower, all 1'' .120 MS DOM, 1/2" bolts at spherical rod end attachment points, left-hand / right-hand threads on the uppers to allow lateral adjustment, double shear everywhere. Two machined side plates at the wheel end, spaced apart by the caster, an aluminium spacer, the upper tube rod ends, (and spacers) and lower tube attachment / spacer blocks flat on the sides and contoured to fit the diameter of the lower bar, which is sandwiched between them, with two 3/8" bolts thru all. Not clearly visible in pics, but the rear side plates have two attachment point options for the upper tubes. Rod ends at both ends of the upper tubes loads them purely in compression, unless a crash situation whacks them sideways or elsewhere. The rear tube upper attachment as shown has the upper tube centerlines passing somewhat above the wheel centerline, the effect is to bow the single lower bar upward when the wheel hits the track. The lower mounting hole for the rear of the upper bars makes the upper tube centerlines pass thru the wheel centerline only slightly above it, so the bow effect is less if the wheel is loaded upward, but it's still somewhat springy.
 I asked a friend of mine who has some involvement with fuel cars and such, what he thought about the design thinking, he said I was overthinking the thing, (I heard that somewhere recently). The whole setup is certainly more clunky and heavy than what fast cars are and have been running, but it was fun to build. And it certainly resists wheelies in a smooth way.
 On the safety side, I completely agree that two upper bars have to be better than one, in the event of backing the thing directly into a wall or something. No one can predict every possible angle of impact, etc., but I think the top-heavy triangle mounting gives me the best chance of not having tubes through my torso or up my... well, ya know...
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2014, 08:01:05 PM »
Better pic, crossbar connecting the upper tubes added since the above pics to resist twisting of the wheel from any side loads. Hope I'm not boring 'Yall.
John
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2014, 08:19:01 PM »
Not at all.
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2014, 03:35:17 PM »
I'm designing mine at the moment.  Had the same concerns with a single point up high.  I don't believe I'll ever break a bar or mount on a launch, my concern would be going into the wall backwards. I feel as though in any other form of motorsport something like a suspension upright or an aerofoil etc would be designed to shear in a safe way and detach but I can't figure out how you could apply this safely to a wheelie bar ?

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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2014, 07:54:37 AM »
thanks for the detailed posts.  Guess I better get my steel ordered. So mild steel or moly?
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2014, 08:36:59 AM »
mild steel for trailors and tractors Moly for race cars.
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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2014, 11:03:58 AM »
C/M .

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Re: wheelie bars
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2014, 11:48:38 AM »
mild steel for trailors and tractors Moly for race cars.
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