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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #60 on: May 25, 2015, 03:19:16 PM »
Makes sense to keep in power band. How about trans gear. Big thread here about 1.69 gear. Easier off line,might be able to add rpm at hit. Shift would be out little more which shoul lower rpme some in lights.

Next and what  I would look at cam? If can use more power ? why not give her what she wants. Know nothing of your combo. If mine I would add 10* duration and move powerband up. Maybe look at compression if possible. Problem is means retuning combo if rasing power.

Thing is .2 can be easy if setup is off.If its tuned pretty good it can be huge to get that much.With the way you are running it looks to be tuned pretty well. Bad tuneup rarely runs consistent number.

Now this is from old blower guy who has not made pass in FED  YET,so take it with grain of salt.
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #61 on: May 25, 2015, 03:35:43 PM »
I hope my combo works out to be as consistent
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #62 on: May 25, 2015, 04:02:58 PM »
Cody those numbers sound fantastic ! Please tell me more about your engine combo--I am very interested in what it will take to get that ET since we have the same car more or less
BTW I have a 4.22 gear with my MT 33's --My Nascar pal has lots of odd ratios --it is fun to look through his inventory.
I am running well but my little ole 355 CI is stuck in the 5.60's
I am very  interested in what temp do you run it? Cam numbers, what type heads, etc
I have been told I need to get mine hotter before a run so just curious.
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2015, 05:25:26 PM »
Dave, The engine is pretty mild mannered. It dynoed at 535 HP @ 7000 RPM, 400 Ft Lbs Torque. Peak torque of 463 FT Lbs @ 5900.
360 CI stock stroke, .060 over bore
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I don't have a temp gauge but the hotter it is the faster it runs.
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #64 on: May 25, 2015, 07:19:02 PM »
I think my first time with no water and alky --I have been scared of baking it--what I have found is that I can even drive it back from the top end if I have to--I am sure I have not been hot enough at the line--so that is my next move to see what happens. May be closer than I think to some lower ET's--
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2015, 05:00:37 AM »
180* if looking for et,should still have no problem driving back.Lots of guys try to run in 150 to 160 range for consistency and find out 10* hotter will pick car up.
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2015, 07:56:29 PM »
Just an FYI, my car ran - 1.199, 1.200 and a 1.199 60' this weekend. On 33 x 10.5 MT's

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My Lazy .026 didn't cut it. 

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2015, 07:37:31 PM »
 This thread has great information in it.
Can you guys submit updates from the 2015 season?

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2015, 09:36:28 AM »
Well, we run the Goodyear 31x12x15 D2585 tire on 12" wide rims, in our Heritage all iron SBC 870 hp JrFueler, weighing 1435 lbs with driver.
We run 7.0's with 1.01 to 1.03 sixty foot times, running 5 1/2 to 6 1/4 tire pressure, depending on track conditions.
Our last Div 7 and CHRR we ran 33x12x15 Goodyear with a bigger number gear 5.13, with a best of 1.03 60', and 7.03, 187.44 mph.
It's all about your total combo, the 2015 NHRA Comp Elim Champion, Craig Bourgeois, runs 29x10.5x15 MT with 5.13 gears running a best of .956 sixty's with a looser converter than I run, and may have to click it early when he hits his 10,600 high rpm chip. But I think that works for him at National event prep tracks.
BTW I still have some 31x12x15 [ the lightest at 22.6 lbs] and 33x12x15 Goodyear slicks that I special ordered, because GY has them on the "inactive" list.
 I hope this info helps.

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2015, 06:46:25 PM »
 Jon:
Thanks for the update.  :)
I will get ahold of you in early spring and see if you still have some of the tires left for sale.

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2021, 02:22:40 AM »
I am having the same dilema trying to decide what tire to put on my Alchy 200" FED that I am building with 350 SBC Hilborn stacked injectors. Probably 500 hp. Should I run a 10, 11 or 12"? So far I am looking at
MT 3062
MT 3064
MT 3069
GY 2797
GY 2585 are too expensive

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2021, 04:50:41 PM »
Scott I agree the GY 2585 is not the right choice , that is the that most of us new Gen JrFuel [ 6.80's to 7.0's ] running  400 ci alky burning 3.5 lb/ci all iron motors , and my team is going to try M&H 30.5x 10.5 [ 11.5] x15 and MT 31x 10.5 [ 11.25] x15 on 12" wide rims . The Mickeys and MH are at least 4-5 lbs heavier than the GoodYears. More rotating weight takes more power. The MT like wider rims like 12" but in your case 10" would work good on the GY or MH .
But I think your tire picks listed may be too big for your HP , our JF car is going to try 10.5 tires because we get tire shake , enough so we have broke a rear engine motor plate , cracked front steering mount, and a windshield. We think tire shake comes from not enough power or too much traction. With the tracks using more and more VHT the tires will dead hook , wind up the side walls and shake, The only JF team running a bigger tire is running and winning on MH 33x12x15 but he is making 1000+HP @ 10,500 rpm with a 5.38 rear gears. Twice what you are planning. The 2020 Comp Elim champ is a B/ND [ JrFuel type ] is also making 1000+ HP , but he is running the MT 29 x 10.5 [ true 10.5 "] x15 tire with a loose converter , my guess 9000 stall, so it doesn't hit the tires so hard . Which might be a good choice for you , or a GY 28x 9 or 10x15, unless you will be racing at no prep tracks with limited VHT. The reason FED want a little less traction is to keep the RPM  up to where the motor is happy , otherwise it will pull the motor down below its power range.
BTW call Don Enriquez at Hilborn, he can help you set-up your FI , Don is a muti year JrFuel Champion , he has been driving dragsters for over 50 years
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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2021, 11:06:03 PM »
Jon, I sure appereciate you wanting to help. I know what to use. I just love my front wheels and tires that you sold me. Don't know if you remember them (Generation Pro Wheel Three), they have chrome hubs. They're going to look nice on the car. I will give you a call today to get the slicks. I ran out of 1-1/4 .058 and I need one more 23" piece for my K member unless I can use 1-1/8 for the K.

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2021, 04:03:24 PM »
I am currently running the MT 10.5 W x 33 with tubes and they work good on my 225" FED but my car has radiator, water pump, transmission cooler and full body. Runs 4.85 to 50.x @ 1730Lbs with me in it.

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Re: Rear Tire selection
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2021, 07:44:13 PM »
I decided to go with 29.5 x 10.5-15W. I needed to figure out what tire I am going to run so I can finalize the chassis. Thanks for responding.