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Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« on: February 01, 2015, 12:32:56 PM »
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Is there a "rule of thumb" for determining a starting shift point from your dyno sheet?  Some people say use and rpm a few hundred before peek torque?  Powerglide, small block chevy combo...

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 12:52:42 PM »
I'm not sure if I'm reading your question right but I recommend that you rev it to at least peak horsepower before you shift. The goal would be to keep the motor from dropping below peak torque on the gear change.

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 01:06:45 PM »
Thanks, makes sense.

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 03:56:08 PM »
John, peak torque happens at a pretty low RPM, your SBC will be happier at a higher RPM shift point. We shift our Heritage JrFuel about 1,000 RPM higher [ 9800] than what our dyno chart showed peak HP 8800 rpm, [ peak torque is @ 6800 rpm]. Now as far as shifting higher so the engine doesn't drop below peak torque, unless you have some kind of problem and have to shift early [ tire shake ?] your engine will drop after the shift to where your converter flashes at [ true stall]. We can shift at 9200 or 10,300, and it still drops to 8600 rpm. We run allot of 7.0's @ 186-189 mph with a 4.88 gear and 31x12x15 GoodYear.
 I wish my dyno guy could run it up higher than 9,000, because of our higher shifts, the hp does drop some from 8800 to 9000, but only 6 hp. Between 8100 and 9000 the hp only gains and loses 6 hp on the dyno chart.
 BTW, I always look at the RacePak run for the converter flash rpm, it's a good measurement of increase-decrease hp for my tune-ups. More power = higher rpm flash. Lower flash I went the wrong way.
Kinda think of your converter like a slipper clutch, more power = more slippage.
If you are looking for more power [ Dah, who's not looking for more hp, unless you bracket race] call your cam guy for a better cam for your application, and tell him the rest of your engine combination, so he can advise you the rpm he should grind your cam for.
Cam and converter changes will give you the most increases in performance, unless you have the wrong slicks.

Have fun, I hope this info helps.
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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 04:23:35 PM »
Great Info Jon, thanks much. Front wheel look great.

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 05:27:47 PM »
John, what class are you going to race ? With stack injectors your car would be a great looking JrFuel car.

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 04:03:05 AM »
Jon, just running local Nostalgia Events for the upcoming year...maybe injection for next year!

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2015, 03:45:37 PM »
 John have you asked Bob about this ? He really knows his stuff and can point you in the right direction . I have been thinking about the same thing with my combo . I have never put my motor on a dyno but I would like to just to see where it falls off .

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2015, 05:37:58 PM »
Yes Bill, Bob and I have been discussing it and have a game plan to start.  It made 793.6 at 7500, then started to fall off at 7600. Torque was very flat from 5000 to 7600.

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 03:16:04 PM »
john 793 is very good HP ! Your car should be pretty quick!

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Re: Determining Shift Point from a Dyno Sheet
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 04:59:00 PM »
Bill, I'll still be chasing you though....